‘Gaza is a moral tear in the universe’: Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor | Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty – podcast

<p>Are we really living through ‘end times fascism’? Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor think so.</p><p>In a new series from the Guardian, the pair speak to Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty in an extended interview. From Trump 2.0 and the rise of the tech billionaire to Gaza and the climate emergency, Klein and Taylor argue we are not just lurching from crisis to crisis but are in a new and dangerous moment in history. But they haven’t given up hope of a fightback</p><p><strong>Radical Thinking will be published every Saturday in the Politics Weekly feed</strong></p><p>You can watch the full interview with Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor <a href="https://youtu.be/ZlKyyIKLeDc">here</a>.<br><br> Aditya’s suggested reading:</p><p>Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor’s End Times Fascism is out now and available <a href="https://guardianbookshop.com/end-times-fascism-9780241816288/">here</a>. It began life as a special essay in the Guardian, which you can read <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/apr/13/end-times-fascism-far-right-trump-musk">here</a>.</p><p>A different take on whether Trump 2.0 is fascist comes from the economist Branko Milanović on his brilliant <a href="https://branko2f7.substack.com/p/the-ideology-of-donald-j-trump">Substack</a>.</p><p>Elon Musk gives Donald Trump millions, and Trump gives Musk vast access to power. To read more, look at Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff’s <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2026/mar/17/elon-musk-gamify-government">Long Read for the Guardian</a> and their recent book <a href="https://guardianbookshop.com/muskism-9780241805114/">Muskism: a Guide for the Perplexed</a>.</p><p>For some sensational reporting on Trump’s second term, look at <a href="https://guardianbookshop.com/regime-change-9781398567597/">Regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan</a>.</p><p>How did the business class learn to love Trump and embrace chaos? Paul Heideman gives a lucid analysis in his recent book <a href="https://guardianbookshop.com/rogue-elephant-9781804294086/">Rogue Elephant</a>.</p><p>If you want more on the new tech bros of Silicon Valley, here are four recommendations:</p><p>- In their book, Klein and Taylor regularly cite Karen Hao’s <a href="https://guardianbookshop.com/empire-of-ai-9781802064650/">Empire of AI</a>.</p><p>- There’s also <a href="https://guardianbookshop.com/the-nerd-reich-9781398555921/">The Nerd Reich</a>, just out from Gil Durán.</p> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/audio/2026/oct/10/gaza-is-a-moral-tear-in-the-universe-naomi-klein-and-astra-taylor-radical-thinking-with-aditya-chakrabortty-podcast">Continue reading...</a>